Tried because they were cheap. I had several with hook needles in the group (when viewed with a magnifying glass). So after you throw away a few, the value starts to go down. They are too narrow for my taste. 9toimd should be larger. Round 8 should also be more. I'd say they pull the string like a loose 5 or a tight 7. Except you have to slow down with them because you're pushing 9 pins. Really not my favourite.
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