I ordered these pens for calligraphy and brush lettering. Thin tips just aren't good for the "thicker" parts of the letter. You should be able to push in and get more ink for a thicker line, but they don't. All you have to do is bend the tip and the handle will break. I use the larger side for practice and they are slightly better, but I feel these pens are good for either regular color writing or coloring.
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