I have now tried two pairs of these things. Being attentive to other reviews I ordered the first pair a size larger than normal. I couldn't even get my foot into them. I returned those and got a larger size. Those were too long and my heel was lifting up in them but my toes were pinched. Clearly whoever designed these don't have normal feet. I've learned from this experience, do NOT ever buy footwear on the net. Thank goodness for Revain's easy return policy.