First of all I would like to say that I have been dealing with running shoes for a long time. Yes, I was the guy who kept the sneakers unworn and out of sight in boxes. As I get older my style changes to chinos, slim fit and retro European style sneakers. I have wide feet so I was afraid they would accentuate it because of the canvas material, but on the contrary they look great! I've spent hundreds on "certain" tokens that I would exchange for them any day. The packaging shows that they care about every detail. I have ordered a second pair and when I find them in brown my size is a third. Buy them folks. just not in 8.5 because that's my size and I need options. By the way, I ordered size 9.