These weren't very well made, the rivet on the piston went with the flow right away. It has not been used for any other purpose, only on thin PMCs. Very disappointing because the molds promised to be well made and smooth. A friend of mine has several similar ones (maybe not the same brand) that I'm envious of and they were very comfortable. However, I am pleased with the response from Revain/Kemper in facilitating an immediate refund on this returned item.
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