Ordered size 13; They were too big and sloppy on my foot. I had to give them to my big-legged grandson. Ordered size 12; They are very snug and hurt my big toe after a while because it rubs against the end of the shoe. What you need (at least for me) is a size 12 1/2. Nobody seems to like doing half sizes anymore. You can't wear them except me, nice shoes.
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