Edit: I was contacted by Vanmass (I never contacted them) and they sent me 2 different types of car mounts (free, I didn't pay for shipping or anything , and I didn't have to send the original back) to solve my problem of not holding my LG Stylo 4 with the otter on it. One of the replacements was about the same as this one, but the other works great. Your personal service is AMAZING. I definitely recommend it. Here is a link to one that works with Otterbox https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084Z1KYTW. doesn't hold it. Bought to replace my other mount,
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