So I finally tried them snowboarding yesterday and just a day later there was a hole in the leather! phone without taking off the mittens, so I took these, they are also very warm, but they only came one day on the slopes and there is a hole in it?! It's a small puncture but it was only one day on the slopes and the puncture must be due to just tightening the bindings. Maybe I got the wrong pair, although it doesn't look like it. So update, I've been using them for more than a full season and they're great. They only get wet when it rains or the snow is very wet
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