These gloves did not convince me, especially for $ 180 (size M). God forbid you need size XL. Ripstop nylon is also a rip because it's soft and flimsy and doesn't last long in my opinion. Long life should be included for $180! Do not get me wrong. These gloves are very comfortable and warm enough for skiing and snow in moderate winter temperatures, but not enough for a week of cold climbing and ice climbing. Don't be fooled by product images. One image shows a man wearing green boots and GLOVES instead of mittens. Although I have a pair of Black Diamond Super Light gloves, I'm considering getting a cheap pair of the following gloves, which look just as good, if not better, than these Black Diamonds. Check-out Wildhorn Tolcat Waterproof Touchscreen Compatible Ski Mittens: -https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07W6X1HZJ?aaxitk=H9qmjUC9YbhUu6oYLXjFYA&pd_rd_i=B07W6X1HZJ&pf_rd_p=591760d1-6468-480f-9b10-0ee9c85706fd&hsa_cr_id=5583223910801&sb-ci-n=asinImage&sb- ci-v=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F71nPLo7qGBL.jpg&sb-ci-a=B07W6X1HZJ
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