Loafers are always hard to find in size. You want them to stay, but of course they're a little loose. The softer and more comfortable they are, the more likely the leather will flex, making them even looser over time. The shoes came about 1/4 size larger than I expected. So I would reduce the size in half and expect to regain 1/4 of the space as the very soft leather stretches. These are definitely good shoes and I've always loved the durability and comfort of the Hush Puppies.