For 3-4k good ears. If you don't have a good amp/dac and you have crappy ears right now, these will be enough to make the sound noticeably better. From the built-in computers are quite loud, despite the resistance of 47 ohms. From a good source, more details are heard and the volume margin is good. On the head sit comfortably, light. The clamping force to the ears is a little more than we would like, but not critical. You can spend many hours in them without tangible inconvenience . Wipe sweat off the ear pads so that they do not crack for as long as possible .
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