Can't recommend these loafers. Size runs short and narrow. I usually wear a 6.5 - 7. Too small. Go at least a half size larger, most likely a full size. Deeply disappointed in the poor quality. I always thought Minnetonka made great products. Unfortunately this is not the case here. I wonder if the fact that they were made in the Dominican Republic has anything to do with it? One set of shoelaces in particular is too short and frayed. Worse still, the inner sole of the left moccasin had become loose and peeled off. Every time I put them on I have to put them back on but they still dangle when I leave. I'll cement it again. There are no signs of seams. The only reason for the second star is that they appear to be made out of tough, supple leather, maybe buffalo or elk. Once again, American manufacturers exported jobs and quality.