I ordered my normal size from other brands and this fits except the collar is a bit tight. The only option I have is to increase the size and make it even more baggy. It seems that you will NOT gain more back/shoulder room by reaching forward if you go just one size up. The quality of the material is very rough and, well, the feel of polyester, not the nice synthetic you can get by spending enough on polyester, which is actually better than cheaper wool. no, that's a bit rough. For the price you can't beat it. In general, the design is acceptable, excellent for the price. The stitching is even and consistent, I haven't noticed any bad stitching yet, there are no protruding threads just a few protruding cut threads that come off with brushing or washing. As usual, I'd like to see an extra inch of sleeve length on most shirts, and a slightly less bulky portion for each of the slits, or the ability to have 15/34 in a "small" ratio. /extreme slim is actually a mid-modern cut, an almost fitted or waisted look. I have at least 1/2 torso extra space. The slim cut is what I would call standard. It's basically very loose fitting, straight fitting and quite baggy - this is the photo of the "light blue" shirt I uploaded. I have room for two in this pattern, plus a muffin top, and it's the smallest size I can fit around my skinny neck. The standard must apply to people who are less than 5 feet 8 inches tall and weigh over 250 pounds. I would call it downright sedentary, like Wall World (no offense, I have some clothes from there too - I just know what to expect). Update: I received 2 reboxed shirts but this is a Revain/Seller issue, not a product issue. One was just folded, half open, in a clear plastic bag, the kind they use for repackaging. The other at least had a board and pins, although you could see it had been repinned multiple times.