I had a stand but I hid the shelf behind my TV and when I measured my PS4 Slim I didn't find the stand it was standing on so it fitted because of that old ones didn't stand. So I found this stand and thought it would be perfect because most stands stick out longer than the PS4. the case in general fits my ps4 perfectly for me and looks good, it was easy to install. Also, it includes two different parts for PS4 Slim and one for PS4 Pro. All in all I love it! I would recommend