I start with an average of three stars and work my way up or down from there I bought these elbows on purpose because the picture showed them without clips but alas they arrived with clips in the bag if you want clips great if you don't then the advert is misleading clamps are being used less frequently in products lately I have yet to test them to see if they are without use of clamps are leaking so I will edit this post later Using clamps is not possible for my purpose anytime soon Turnaround is very very important The package (with 4 items purchased) took too long to deliver for standard free shipping. Hence two stars deducted for shipping and misleading advertising lurking, and a one star return at a good price (assuming they don't run out without clips). has not yet met expectations.
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