Turns out they were right is way too low, way beyond protecting your kids ears, is way too low , I initially tried them in a quiet room and thought they had the perfect max volume for kids, but they do not block any background noise, when they tried using them in the car they said they couldn't hear anything (2020 suv) and I tried them myself and the rumble of the car made it impossible to get acceptable volume, then we tried them on a flight and I already knew it wouldn't work after the car…

These are super comfortable and the sound quality was actually much better than I was hoping for. I bought these to wear at work to cancel out the general office noise and to wear to the gym as well. Battery last 6/7 hours though, which isn't too bad. They include an aux chord so you can make them wired headphones though - although I'd suggest trying to include a white one instead of the bright red one I got with my pink and white head phones. Over all I'm pretty happy with these, may look into