Okay here's a real discount on these pants and the fact that they run small that's why I'm only giving them 3 stars: I just ordered them and they arrived very quickly. (I just had female surgery and was looking for something nice, cool, comfortable, roomy and functional for my work, something different from all those silly jersey jogging pants that are stretchy but too hot in these warmer months.) Very nice pants and good quality . I have beefy, muscular legs from an active lifestyle and am now