Were my first and last Timberland. Had the shoes today 20 minutes and the horror war. Both ankles and heels bloody. Leather easter hard. The shoe ends immediately below the ankle. The tab presses inside. In addition, the shoe was super hot - Hanz different than expected from Volleder. But hardly any footbed. Maybe my feet don't have the right anatomy for Timberland, but these were the worst shoes in years!