I've been using these pans (I have two of them) for a long time and I'm very satisfied. I want the inner pan with holes to be slightly higher than the bottom. I use some sort of utensil under the handle to hold it up higher so it doesn't hit the fat at all. I've hand washed one set in the dishwasher and the other to see how they turned out. The one I washed in the dishwasher was clean but discolored. It's no longer a shiny aluminum color. However, this did not affect the preparation of our meatloaf in any way. Overall I love these pans. I just want the racks to be higher than the bottom of the pan.
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