Honestly I ordered these shoes after seeing IP Man I, II and III. (All great, fun movies, btw.) It seems like every kung fu in the movies wears these types of shoes, so I went online and ordered them. I ordered 12.5-13 and they are perfect for my height 12ft. No bow support. Just comfortable comfortable shoes. For the money it's hard to beat them. I'm an amateur, not a fighter, but wearing these shoes feels like stepping on someone's head :-P