I saw these 6011 sticks and found them interesting because they are low in manganese. I quickly realized that my curiosity would eventually be proven wrong. These rods are no different from the Lincoln 6011. They had terrible arcing strikes. You couldn't hold a crappy arc when trying to weld properly. Instead, I only got these rods to work by burying them in metal, which soon led to porosity due to poor flux. I have multiple rod welding certifications and these rods are ridiculously bad. DO NOT BUY FOR PRODUCTION!