The only reason I do 2 starts is because I've never worn them. They were originally too big. I've read a lot of people saying that, but I wasn't listening. Has always been an 8.5 on all Foot Joys and also 8.5-9.0 on most other shoes. I think I could go back to the classic dry delights at 8.5 and be done with that. These are great shoes but a bit pricey. I hope this helped. Order small ones or return them like I should.
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