These pants are very nice, but head to head with SLIGHTLY more expensive active pants, it's a trade-off. I bought these for golf, so the stretch feature is great; however, compared to other brands I bought on sale, they just aren't as comfortable. The fit just doesn't work as well and the material isn't as smooth. That said, as of the writing of this review (2 months after purchase), I see them on ebay at 2/3 of the price I paid (only for the color I already have.). At that price point they are