After experimenting a lot with a few dozen different brands of pens I have come to the conclusion that they work best for painting on canvas before oil painting. Paint thinner will not smudge them. Even if I remove the color, the drawing remains. I can also use them to add lines over a drawing. I mainly use orange, but also brown and black when adding lines to the dark areas. I use a heavier canvas needle as the rough surface is a bit stiff at the finest points. They do not dry out - I have perennials. I have never found anything better. Buy them to keep them in business. I need her. Many Thanks.
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