I tried seven different climbing shoes before I found these. I had to downsize from 8.5 to 7.5 but they are perfect for my narrow feet with long toes. I'm a beginner in climbing, I mainly do outdoor sport routes. I've found all climbing shoes to be tight and uncomfortable, but these are the most forgiving I've ever worn while being very practical. I was able to start climbing more difficult routes when I bought them and sometimes I actually forgot I had them on and saved my partner by not putting on my approach shoes. They were ready to wear right out of the box and didn't need breaking in, although they stretched nicely during warm up. I've been using it for about 3 months and it's still in great condition. Even white skin looks good after a walk in red mud. I use a 5.9 rope and a lighter 5.10 and am just learning to ride and they are perfect for my beginner skill level.
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