The first ones I ordered were a size 8.5 and they were SMALL. I know mountaineering boots tend to run small, but they were way smaller than anything I've experienced in climbing shoes. The next set I ordered was a 9.5 and it fit a lot better, but for some reason it's not velcro anymore, it's laces now! Although I ordered the exact same "style" of shoes, for some reason the 8.5 came with velcro and the 9.5 came with laces. I will be returning both pairs and choosing a different brand, this one is clearly not reliable enough. I can't talk about what it's like to climb in them because they didn't even make it to the gym, that's how disappointed I am with these shoes. However, just walking around doing basic testing at home makes me seriously suspicious of their grip potential; They are VERY smooth right out of the box. I would just stay away from them.
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