I've been using EBCs on my cars for years and have always been amazed by their stopping power and light dusting, but when I bought my last car I decided to give the rotors a try. Big mistake! Previously, I had to turn them over three times in six months due to deformation. I took my car to the dealer and to another ASE store and they both told me it was the rotors. Now I have to buy new rotors and EBC told me to bend them because I didn't have the dealer install them. So in my opinion if you want to use EBC just buy pads. I had more hands so I could give these rotors four thumbs down.