I ordered shoes size 12.5 4E but received size 12.5 D which was ALSO HERE IN THE SOCK BOX. I suspect that the bottom of the forefoot tilts up HARDLY to remove socks, but this makes the shoe even more uncomfortable with a stiff feel. I hope the seller sends me the right size so I can update my opinion on how the shoe feels. I ordered the Magnify 3 because it was the only 12.5 inch 4E shoe available.