I bought these for my Saturn Ion and installed the pads with the new Wagner rotors. The pads are not as quiet as I expected. It's been on for 4 months and even after good laps and lots of hard braking these pads make a loud groan at very slow speeds early in the morning when I stop. I took the car to a reputable shop to have the fuel filter changed and the brakes checked (to stop the noise in case I installed it incorrectly) and they said that these Wagner brake pads are notoriously not as quiet as advertised . I asked the shop to fit another set of pads and the noise went away and now my brakes are dead silent. I'm not sure if I received a defective pair, but I probably won't be buying Wagner pads again.