
nice to have "warm pants" for a change, nothing gets hot before you finally have the courage to buy pants, jacket and gloves and it's nice to have "I think they could be tighter below the knees. They are the "bottom layer" but wearing anything on top is very uncomfortable and my riding jeans don't wear. So when I need them I just put on a layer of thermal underwear and put them on and then a pair of leather pants.

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