Used them on my new 30 year old 8x30 imported Knee Mill for 4 months. Have done this in 25 years as a professional tool and die maker. They're no worse than any used American made holders you'll find at any tool and die shop. When I received them they didn't fit in the hole in my car. I searched the internet for R-8 dimensions and tolerances and my car was 0.001-0.0015 smaller. I took a wooden dowel, cut a slit in one end and wrapped sandpaper around it. the other end was inserted into anβ¦