As several other reviewers have noted, these pans aren't what they used to be. They are about 2/3 thicker than when I used the same brand at the last dealer I worked at. Also, the edge is sharp, not finished like old pans. Lots of flash from the casting process. These new pans are much more flexible when taken full. Lisle has never been super high quality material, but it was better than that.
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