I bought these to do large graphite drawings and was hoping to get deep gray tones from almost black. They don't allow you to create deep gray tones. After moisturizing to even out the base coat, my next coat just seemed to sit on top, looking thin and metallic. It didn't go dark or saturated like it did with the 6B pencil. Good as a gimmick, but not for an artist hoping to make a big drawing. Charcoal works best, or a very soft traditional tombow pencil.
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